Friday, August 6, 2010

Get your cards lined up

I still have a problem with atheistic, agnostic and theistic arguments that penetrate our lives when the author is already so incredibly biased towards a pre-determined view that they don't consider and present all the evidence. It's frustrating!

Here's one such article that was forwarded to me today.

My response was initially "grrrrr - please get your facts straight first." But after I started typing it turned into a lecture. I actually commented on the blog and have included it for you below, coz I'm a sharing kind of person like that ;-)  [Note: the last sentence refers to a reply to someone else's comment].


"Interestingly, some fundamental assumptions are made that void much of the discussion. As almost always happens in such presentations.

1. Science justifies atheism. What about the 000s of scientists who subsequently turn to a faith in God AFTER a life of research to explain existence?

2. Religion = Faith. This is far from true. Faith in something can exist without man-made Religious intervention (such as a church, synagogue, social order). This point was proven in the article: "I still consider myself Jewish in everything but the believing in God part" which means the religion's traditions and expectations are practiced but the Faith isn't believed in. The opposite can also exist.

As I continue on my own journey through atheism, agnosticism and theism, the amount of scientifically-accepted evidence presented by countless archaelogical (physical), historical (time), bibliographical (documentation), and geographical (across unassociated language-based cultures) sources is still persuading me in the same direction.

(BTW, I have come across thoughtful atheistic and theistic believers that if pinned down do admit to 'not knowning' THE answer. Their choice to believe is based on the evidence they have considered. And that's called faith. It was once explained to me like this: Have you ever paid money online or through the mail before receiving a product? It's the same principle: based on the evidence available to you, you have faith the product will arrive.)

So, whatever you choose to believe in (God, Science, Meta-physical, yourself), it is as a direct result of your willingness to objectively consider all the evidence presented. Dismissing one or more perspectives with such ease as demonstrated above indicates a preference to pick and choose evidence that supports a predetermined view and smacks of laziness in considering all of the available evidence from all sides.

My intention was to comment briefly, not write a missive. Regardless, I trust this is an improvement for those entertained by the "ignorant negative comments the article has already received."

1 comments:

  1. For somebody who claims that his viewpoint "has only the less eye-catching attractions of humility," Rosenbaum is awefully dismissive of all other viewpoints.

    He also clearly doesn't understand what Aquinas is getting at with "uncaused causation."

    "His eventual explanation entailed a Supreme Being standing outside of time and space somehow endowing it with existence (and interfering once in a while) without explaining what caused this source of 'uncaused causation' to be created in the first place." Um, excuse me, Mr. Rosenbaum? Do you not understand English? "Uncaused causation" is not created, it has no cause, it always was. This is like saying "he told me that the we're closer to the sun in summer than we are in winter without explaining why the temperatures are higher." You're free to accept "uncaused causation" or not, of course, but at least do a man of infinitely more intellect (Aquinas) than you (Mr. Rosenbaum) the coutesy of reading his words with some semblance of comprehension before you make your argument againt them.

    Well, as Stephen pointed out, there are many, MANY other misrepresentations in this article, so I won't even attempt to go on. But, really, I gotta say I kinda feel bad for Ron Rosenbaum. He seems to understand neither atheism, nor theism very well so, in arguing against them, he ends up looking a bit foolish.

    I'm not sure why he insists that to be religious (or even theistic or atheistic, for that matter) requires blindly clinging to dogma and claiming that you have all the answers. I'm pretty religious and I have very few of them. I know plenty of theists and atheists who would say the same thing.

    Two things I think Mr. Rosenbaum (and everybody else for that matter) should consider: Pascal's Wager (Pascal was a mathemetician and a physicist as well a s a Christian philosopher) and Anselm's Onological Proof for the Existence of God. Pascal will help him see that faith does not require certainty, and Anselm will help him see why "uncaused causation" is a perfectly reasonable concept.
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